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The Washington Consensus is a religious doctrine, not a scientific one. So it's hardly surprising that religious arguments would be mustered in its defense.

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#1 -- Your original post did indeed omit the crucial fact that the culmination of ISI was economic crisis, the crisis that gave rise to neoliberal policy, namely Washington Consensus. In fact the single overriding reason for WC was the need to correct the crisis caused by activist ISI.
 
WC was a technical-corrective response to ISI decay, like doctor and patient. It was not some free-floating ideological innovation.

In fact there is no confusion at all. ISI produced BOTH price distortions and macro imbalances in Latin America and East Asia because countries in those regions ran up massive public debts and private debts to finance losses on ISI and to compensate for lack of competitiveness (e.g. due to price distortion) in ISI sectors.

#2 -- Yes WC tried hard, but also largely succeeded in its limited aim of post-crisis stabilization. Contrary to your implication, its longer run failure was rather a misunderstanding of, or shortfall in, the institutional component of structural adjustment. This failure of WC follow-through on institutional reform was the source of its non-sustainability and the subsequent *political* crises of neoliberalism.

#3 -- Actually the Asian growth successes were/are inherently unsustainable for the same institutional imperatives that caused British and USA proto-activism in the nineteenth century to be tempered and replaced (discontinuously) by liberalism in the twentieth century. Asian liberalism is the twenty-first century task.

My argument is that there is a one-size-fits-all development model called 'capitalism'. The recipes for pasta are essentially all the same, all that differs is the sauce on top.

Counter-arguments against your neoactivist counterrevolution against the neoliberal counterrevolution are set out clearly in my book published last year --- called Capitalism, Institutions, and Economic Development --- which includes a chapter on the relevant Latin American story and comments on your book.

Actually between 2003 and 2006 I tried to get your publisher Princeton interested in my book about the universal recipe of capitalism, to no avail.

My book published eventually by Routledge can be read gratis in near-final form at my website http://sites.google.com/site/impersonalcapitalism/

... and the pages relevant to the "counter-argument" and the Latin America story would be 214-39.
 

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This is a fascinating topic. I am confused about your comment on the Greek crisis and would like some clarification, as I teach an IPE class and recently made a comment to my class that price distortions likely had an effect on macroeconomic imbalances in Greece, which you claim was not the case. Can you elaborate on why this was not the case, or point me to some papers that would support this argument.
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the reason IS was abandoned in Latin America is that it was by any measure a total disaster and was repelled by societies from Patagonia to Rio Grande as soon as those countries democratized.

There is no coincidence that Latin America had so much inequality at the peak of IS and managed to reduce it with WC policies.

It is also very disingenuous to pretend that growth under cheap oil, with a light social net and repressed labor and from a lower initial GDP is the same as growing from the middle income trap and under post-1973 conditions.That era is over and will never come back.

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