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May 21, 2008

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Anh Tran

Both types of development economists you mentioned still won't be able to do justice to economic development because of the fact that much of their works are based on the Western-based economic ideology. I suggest spiritual economics is one way to go. Sounds weird?

To do justice to economic development, we have to realize these things:

1. Resouces are finite, so it does not matter how best or how hard you try, economies cannot grow sustainably for much longer if the current economic ideology dominates the discussion.

2. Economic conditions are resulted from a whole array of factors, including cultural, political, geographical, social, so that the focus squarely on economic analysis misses many points as we attempt to advance economic development.

3. Data can be distorted from both fronts: the object and the researcher. So, it does not matter how elaborate the econometric analysis is, the truth will never be reached. If the "truth" could be reached, how then the WB and the IMF failed in many fronts to help poor countries develop?

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Dani Rodrik pleads “for not letting prevailing methodological differences overshadow the larger convergence.” And says, “development economics is at the cusp of a significant opportunity. We have the prospect not only of a re-unification of the field, long divided between macro- and micro-development economists, but also of a progression from presumptive approaches with ready-made universal recipes to diagnostic, contextual approaches based on experimentation and policy innovation. If carried to fruition, this transformation would represent an important advance in how development policy is carried out.”

And I have to ask what is so good about that and what is so bad with divergence. This is all about development and not about laying the foundations for a new development church that even while much freer spirit than the Washington Consensus, almost a hippy version of it, is still a church.

Dani Rodrik also urges “In the end, macro-development economists have to be humbler about what they already know, and micro-development economists humbler about what they can learn.” And I would say, humbler, in just a general way, would suffice.

By the way for the second comment in a row I subscribe completely to what Anh Tran says referring to the changing global realities. Just as an example I recently read a study by two prominent development economists who were scratching their heads in order to analyze why El Salvador had not grown as much as it should over the last decade, without even discovering the reality that most Salvadorians had just left their country to grow somewhere else, mainly in the US, to such an extent that what they produced gross in the US already exceeded by much El Salvador’s own local GDP.

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"what is so bad with divergence"

The conversational manifestation of it can prompt non-economists in development to percieve economists as unable to ever agree on anything. If you need evidence of that, I have a long list of economist-jokes that have been trotted out at varoius meetings that I can share with you.

Per Kurowski

"The conversational manifestation of it can prompt non-economists in development to percieve economists as unable to ever agree on anything."

Yet it might be much worse if they agree!!!

I mean, in that case why would us economist be needed?

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Per Kurowski

"The conversational manifestation of it can prompt non-economists in development to percieve economists as unable to ever agree on anything."

Yet it might be much worse if they agree!!!

I mean, in that case why would us economist be needed?

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Dear Dani

Do you know anyone working on both micro and macro development? I would like to learn from someone doing both fronts. It must be a difficult task but a rewarding one as well, am I intending to do to much?

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China has had very much success with experimentation. The great leap forward and the cultural revolution were really good examples of what not to do with people's lives.

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Dear Prof. Rodrik,

I read your paper and I agree with you in principle but not in practice.

Yes, there are various research methodologies, and yes experimentation of various kinds is good.

I fundamentally disagree with your portrayal of Growth Diagnostics (GD), however.

First, it ignores history. Development economist have written whole treatises and careful case studies for a number of countries for decades. The idea that until GD came along economist where robots implementing blind laundry lists is a useful straw man, but not a fair description of reality. A little more humbleness is called for here. GD is a useful reminder of what good economic practice is about, perhaps stated more formally, but not a new paradigm.

Second, it is unfalsifiable. GD works when it works and it doesn't when the diagnostic is not performed right.

Third, it ignores practical reality. Essentially what you are arguing is that we need careful diagnosis on a case by case basis. Most well trained economists I know will fully agree. Yet the practical problem is scaling that up to institutions like the World Bank with some 5,000 economists, some brilliant, some terrible, most average. I call this "the we cannot all be Dani Rodrik problem" or DRP for short.

DRP is a problem of rules versus discretion. Can you trust 5,000 economists to exercise their discretion? My sense is that most IFIs don't. Indeed, there are already "best practices" circulating around for doing GD! Ultimately, to scale things up, this is inevitable. After all, it was Stieglitz, then Chief Economist of the WB, who famously quipped that IFIs have 3rd rate economists from 1st rate universities.

How to deal with the DRP? One could hope to recruit better personnel, but that is easier said than done: the best tend to go to academia, private sector, etc. Alternative, one may seek better training. Yet, even in medicine, where training is exhaustive, someone recently told me that 50% of all medical diagnoses are wrong. Forget the accuracy of the percentage - the point is the error rate is huge.

So if recruitment and training have limited impact, What do you do? You impose safeguards, controls, and guess what, rules and best practices.

To conclude, my sense is that your whole debate is one of rules versus discretion, and whereas we would all prefer discretion under the right people deciding, it is heavily conditional on who is in charge. If economists cannot be trained better, and if the best don't end up in policy, then we are going to need some rules, at a cost. But presumably that cost is less than the cost of giving discretions to semi-competent economists, or much worse, Mao or Pol Pot (as another commenter in this blog emphasized). Then again, the latter were not true "Growth Diagnosers" and experimentalists, or were they?

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I've often wondered why development is not taught as business is taught -- with case study after case study. Surely entire nations are at least as diverse and complicated as medium-sized businesses.

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