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August 14, 2012



Why not the same "bell curves chart" for the second comparison?


Americans will definitely be better off than the Dutch once global warming will have risen the sea levels so much that Holland will have disappeared.
Ironically, this will be caused by Americans more than by the Dutch. Unfair.

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Misschien een betere basis voor het vergelijken van welzijn, productiviteit per uur gewerkt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_hour_worked

Als je twee keer zo veel verdient maar er drie keer zo lang voor moet werken ben je natuurlijk niet wezenlijk "rijker".

Wat ik wel vaak frappant vind is that we de neiging hebben kleine landjes als Nederland te vergelijken met continent bedekkende titanen als de VS. Dan kun je beter staten met Europese landen vergelijken. Ik denk dat dan blijkt dat we nog aardig wat om jaloers op te zijn hebben (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP).

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Sorry, I mistook this for a blog in Dutch; here is the translation of my post:

Perhaps a better basis for comparing wellbeing, productivity per hour worked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_hour_worked

When you make twice as much but have to work for it three times as long, obviously you are not in a material way "richer".

What I do find curious is that there is a tendency to compare countries like the Netherlands to massive, continent spanning titans like the US. It makes more sense to compare states to countries as small as the Netherlands so that at least the population and geographical area are comparable. It seems to me there is quite a bit for the Dutch to be jealous of when viewed in this light: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP


I would very much want to see the details of the incomes in that second chart.

For the US has a strange way, internationally, of measuring the income of the poor. It is, by and large, solely market income (in more detail, market income plus direct cash transfers. But it excludes all transfers in kind and through the tax system. This matters because the majority of US poverty alleviation is done through transfers in kind and the tax system.)

The Dutch system (and pretty much everywhere else) measures poverty and the incomes of the poor after transfers.

So it does rather depend upon what Milanovic has done there. He may have corrected the US figure (I hope he has) so that we are indeed looking at post tax, post benefits incomes.

Or, if he hasn't so corrected then we're looking at US numbers before poverty alleviation and redistribution of incomes and Dutch numbers post.

I'd very much like to know which numbers he's using. Precisely where does this information come from?

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Another thing that should be taken into consideration is that, given a specific set of skills one owns or how much one works, where she would be placed in the two distributions. If person A could be placed in top 5 percent in Holland working 8 hours a day, it is not clear she would be in the same category in the United States. This makes the comparison between groups across the two countries more complicated, I believe.


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Well, of course they are. The thing is, in America there are severe gaps between various social groups.


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I do agree that per-capita GDP can not help in answering such question. I don't know much about the Netherlands. Would be interesting to look at countries in the Scandinavia, more especially at the time when many Americans despise welfare economic models. One thing I am sure about though is that very few Americans are richer that the poorest Norwegians. You don't even need to look at the GDP weird statistical graphs. You only need to go to Norway an witness for yourself.

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Fine, don't forget though that the Dutch will never surpass Americans in terms of cultural impact over the world. And sometimes this is way more important, as you can go literally to every spot under the Sun and speak your mother tongue.
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