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wjd123

What is with Brazil? It has elected a anti- globalization government twice. There is a disconnect here. Could it be that Brazilians find globalization safer under a labor government? Perhaps it in the details of what Lulu is doing, whatever they may be?

Jacob Christensen

@wjd123 "Could it be that Brazilians find globalization safer under a labor government? Perhaps it in the details of what Lulu is doing, whatever they may be?"

Sounds likely to me. It is the classic defence/explanation of the Scandinavian welfare states. (Not that I'd clain that Lula is a Scandinavian Social Democat)

Anyway: Some possible independent variables for a someone with access to a statistics programme and relevant databases and five minutes to spend:

1. Net emigration
2. Increase in number or share of jobs in the export oriented sector over the last decade.

If we run that calculation, who will be the outliers?

David

Fairness of sharing of economic benefits and burdens

Very fairly + Somewhat fairly

US: 46%
Germany: 23%
France: 13%

That's a little surprising to me.

wjd123

David,

Here is the question people were responding to.

"Thinking about the economic developments of the last few years, how fairly do
you think the benefits and burdens have been shared in [Country]: very fairly,
somewhat fairly, not very fairly, or not at all fairly?"

As an American I would immediately interperate "fairness" as applying to our weak social safey net if asked this question. Europeans having a stronger net might think of "fairness" as applying to sectors of the economy being hit. I don't know.

However if Europeans think of "fairness" in the same way as Americans those who are touting a stronger social safety net here as a cure to anti-globalization have a problem.

Leon

Turkey, the Philippines, and to a lesser extent Indonesia --- fascinating results. What do they have in common that means a greater desire for globalization?

Biomed Tim

My feeling is that it costs almost nothing to answer a survey like this; it's easy to take the benefits of globalization for granted.

If they could do a same survey with people who move from countries with relatively free trade policies, to countries with relatively protectionist policies (or vice versa) then the results would be more meaningful.

Ken Houghton

"Turkey, the Philippines, and to a lesser extent Indonesia --- fascinating results. What do they have in common that means a greater desire for globalization?"

Having been colonized or manipulated by larger powers, and looking to have their own independent and autonomous government, having bought into the Friedman Conceit that globalisation makes it more difficult to invade a trading partner?

Chloe

I'm reading the results a bit differently. It seems as though the more industrialized countries who may be having difficulties remaining competitive in this increasingly globalized world have stated the process is too quick. Maybe they are having trouble keeping up?
The few countries that say the process is way too slow, seem to be middle income countries. Maybe they think their increased access to foreign markets has not been fast enough.

China, as mentioned above, does surprise me. I wonder who where the sample size came from? Did this study survey 1,000 people from each of the 34 countries? I'd assume that though the margin of error is only +/- 4% there, the ability to use survey results from about 1000 people does not accurately reflect the country. I imagine poor peasants in China might want the process sped up quite a bit.

cvj

For Turkey and the Philippines, it could be that both countries are heavily into exporting labor as a source of livelihood, and that the predominant 'a bit too slowly' response means that its people can't wait to leave their home countries to work outside.

Ali Saygin

This is a proof that folks in Turkey are out of touch with the rest of the world. For the most part, they are still dreaming the wonderful economy AKP government is portraying to them and maintaining money inflows by offering 17% interest rates.

Both Philippines and Turkey are thinking the globalization would be helping them to find jobs and grow exports, but they are slowly being purchased by foreigners and become sole laborers in their own land. Both countries with great potential, but even bigger dreams.

synchronous

Like other commenters here, I did notice that it is the newly industrialized and industrializing nations that take the favorable view of globalization. I found that surprising at first, but the more that I thought about it it does make sense as they have the most to gain.

China was a weird exception though.

Tyler Cowen

You should say whether or not you agree with them. I don't.

J.

China today is facing a lot of problems caused by its development - huge inequality, environmental destruction, breaking down of social welfare system, and the vanishing of traditional values and family structure, etc., which I think is why many Chinese would actually wish the pace of Globalization to slow down

ori

I would imagine that Turkey would want more globalization, which would mean that it is modernized and integrated to global (liberal) norms. Perhaps that would indicate to the EU that it's ready to be a member, etc.

I am just shooting in the dark, though.

Barry

As for fairness, more Americans could be saying that things are fair because compared to European countries, Americans have been well-persuaded to suck it up.

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